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Gongora catilligera aberrant flowering

When I purchased this Gongora the seller seemed confused as to which one it was. I'm pretty sure it is Gongora odoratissima. If anybody can confirm this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Due to the Gary's help, we have concluded that this is an aberrant flowering of Gongora catilligera. This was determined by identifying a correct flowering from the same Gongora.
The following post contains photos of what Gongora catilligera should look like

http://www.orchidsonline.com.au/node/9971

Gongora catilligera

Vote Result

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Score: 8.0, Votes: 3

Gongora sp. nov.

Hi Terry,

This is not Gongora odoratissima, as the lip shape is very different in comparison. I noticed that the bristles are curled inwards towards each other, which is very unusual for species of Gongora.

I was not able to key it out using Rudolf Jenny's Monogrpaph, so I asked Rudolf if he could check out your photos here.

Rudolf emailed me the following paragraph:

This is certainly an unknown species or an aberrant form of Gongora rufescens or Gongora arcuata. I would need to see pickled flowers and some really good pics. Most probably the origin of the plant is unknown.

Terry, do you recall if the nurseryman stated where it was imported from?

It's nice to have something different.

Reference: Rudolf Jenny, Monograph of the Genus Gongora Ruiz & Pavon, 1993.

Cheers.

Gary

Gongora ??????

Hello Gary,
Thank you for your comments and input regarding this post. Although I now agree that this is not odoratissima, I disagree with your comments pertaining to the labellum. After referencing ‘GONGORA Infrageneric Review of the Genus Gongora’ by Rod Rice, the found his illustrations of an odoratissima labellum to be not dis-similar to the labellum of my Gongora, the only difference being the curled mesochile bristles present on mine. I can’t explain this; referring back to other photos of my Gongora I noticed that the mesochile bristles are indeed straight.

You made mention of Gongora rufescens and arcuata, Gongora catilligera also belongs to the same subgenera and section of this genus. I was just wondering what your thoughts are towards my Gongora possibly being Gongora catilligera? I’ve added some links for you to look at.

http://www.orchidsrepbiol.de/cgi-bin/img_db/img_displayTaxon.pl?db=Gongo...

http://www.orquivalle.com/gongora.html

http://orchid.unibas.ch/phpMyHerbarium/2064432/1/Gongora/catilligera//sp...

I will edit the post and move it to the Can You Help With ID Section until this Gongora can be identified.

Regards Terry

Tez

maybe

"referring back to other photos of my Gongora I noticed that the mesochile bristles are indeed straight."

Maybe you should post one of these photos Terry?

Regards wellsy

Starting Over

Hello wellsy,

Instead of having a 'mismash' of right and wrong flowers I thought it would be better to conclude this post and start over, but you already know that.

Thanks Terry

Tez

Gongora sp. nov.

Hi Terry,

I presume that you disagree with my comment that the lip shape of your plant is very different in comparison to that of Gongora odoratissima. I’m happy to accept that the curled bristles on all of your flowers is the result of some unexplained aberrant flowering on this occasion – as you’ve bloomed it previously with straight bristles.

Unfortunately, I don‘t have access to Gongorana, Infrageneric Review of the Genus Gongora by Rod Rice, so I cannot comment upon a comparison with his lip illustration of Gga. odoratissima.

Rudolf Jenny’s Monograph does mention for Gga. odoratissima that the lip hypochile is quite even on top and narrowly triangular, with long horns and that the horns protrude sideways, then curve downwards. Does this description accord with Rod Rice’s lip illustration?

My first impression when I looked at your photos was that the hypochile is very elongated so that it is longer than the epichile. It looks very thin and “stretched” and reminds me of a daschund or sausage dog :). When viewed from the side, the hypochile looks to me to be oblong or somewhat rectangular. From what I can see in the photos, the horns on your plant are not very long either.

When I compare the photos of your plant with Gongora catilligera (photos on the links to websites you listed) I see that Gga. catilligera has a much shorter hypochile, which is shorter than its epichile. When viewed from the side, the hypochile is broader and looks triangular in shape. In addition, the horns are very long, longer than the width of the hypochile so that they seem to nearly extend beyond it.

I find that these features are significantly different to consider that your plant could be Gga. catilligera.

I don’t know if anyone else would agree with me.

Reference: Rudolf Jenny, Monograph of the Genus Gongora Ruiz & Pavon, 1993.

Hope that helps.

Gary

Gongora ???????

Hello Gary,

After going back through my additional photos of this Gongora I feel that it would be impossible to positively and fairly identify this Gongora, the flower is clearly mutated. When compared to different flowers of this Gongora they are clearly different. There might be something in the water here, check out this post.
http://www.orchidsonline.com.au/node/8031

I will create another post with different flowers from this Gongora.

Bye the way, great eyes, I can't even see any horns.

Tez

Positive ID

As I mentioned above this is a aberrant flowering of one of my Gongora. Due to the Gary's help, we have concluded that this is an aberrant flowering of Gongora catilligera. This was determined by identifying a correct flowering from the same Gongora.
The following post contains photos of what Gongora catilligera should look like

http://www.orchidsonline.com.au/node/9971

Regards
Terry

Ps. I will amend this post accordingly

Tez

best

I think would be best to update the text in the body of your post above to include these words in the above comment by you Terry.

If it were me I would try to keep the original text you posted even if as a footnote so people who view this down the track can make sense of all the steps in this series of comments.

Great outcome and well done to both yourself and Gary.

Regards wellsy

PS

If you want this post here included in the Orchids A-Z the title needs to be simply Gongora catilligera. The body can still say "Gongora catilligera aberrant flowering" as a heading of course.

Regards wellsy

Done and Done

Thanks wellsy,

I think I've made it easier for future readers to understand the post now.

Thanks Terry

Tez