tontoro, love this species, like bernabu have not seen this one before. I'm sure there is a spot for it on my bench even if I had to get rid of something else.
Papwapw
I think that this one came under B.sociale at one time, there was also another multi-flowered uniflorum species with this name. Vermeulen links them all together as one species.
bernabu
Hi Bernabu and Tontoro
I would like to bring up that Bulbophyllum aeolium is cited only from the Philippines. I was sent a photo of this species and it is at http://www.orchidspecies.com/bulbaeolium.htm.
It is very similar to the photo of B aeolium that is on Orchidsonline by tontoro. http://www.orchidsonline.com.au/comment/reply/6404/6349
Is Tontoros plant from the Philippines or is it Malaysia or even elsewhere? The flower photo on my site was taken in Malaysia [see the in situ photo] and sent in by a Thai gentleman visiting the Cameron Highlands there. He brings up the point that Comber lists B sociale with a photo that is similar yet different to B aeolium photos that we have, but in the notes he says that his plant should be compared with B uniflorum var pluriflorum Carr from Cameron Highlands Malaysia. The Thai gentleman thinks that the Cameron Highlands citing [from a book Titled "The Orchids of Cameron Highlands] of B aeolium occuring there is incorrect and it should be B sociale? What do you all think? I have the Comber reference but not the Orchids of Cameron Highlands.
Could we find out where Tontoro's photo came from so we can begin to sort this mess out?
Thanks all
It might be better for me to quote Vermeulen from his book 'Orchids of Borneo' Vol 2, Bulbophyllum.
"B.uniflorum shows extreme variability in several characters, notably in the number of flowers per inflorescence (1 to c 10), the size and colouring of the flowers and the position, length and relative width of the sepals.
However, a brief survey of specimens from Sumatra and Java shows that infraspecific division is probably impossible as intermediate specimens between all extremes occur."
He continues " The illustrated specimen resembles the type of B.sociale which mainly differs from the type of B.uniflorum in having convergent lateral sepals. Most specimens have spreading lateral sepals."
Kew World Checklists show these (inc B.aeolium) species as seperate entities.
I suppose naming a plant with six or more flowers as 'uniflorum' is bound to cause confusion.
At the very least and to avoid continuing confusion B.sociale 1918, should be made a synonym of B.aeolium (1913).
Hi Tontoro and Bernabu
So if B sociale becomes a synonym of B aeolium then the citations move as well and it can be said that B aeolium comes from Java, Sumatra, Cameron Hills Malaysia and the Phillipines. Has anyone seen a plant from the Philippines to compare??
Jay Pfahl
Perhaps the best person to answer this question is Jim Cootes. He had his book 'The Orchids of the Philippines, published in 2001. This book is a valuable tool in identifying the various species from this area. There is no information on B.uniflorum or B.sociale in his book.
I understand that Jim is soon to publish an updated version with many more species, who knows, he may have further info on the subject we are discussing here.... can't wait.
A first
tontoro, thanks for posting this species, this is the first time I've seen this one. What size are the flowers?
bernabu
bernabu
Want!!!!
tontoro, love this species, like bernabu have not seen this one before. I'm sure there is a spot for it on my bench even if I had to get rid of something else.
Papwapw
A first
The flower size like Bulbo uniflorum...
zul.
yes
I think that this one came under B.sociale at one time, there was also another multi-flowered uniflorum species with this name. Vermeulen links them all together as one species.
bernabu
bernabu
Bulbophyllum aeolium
Hi Bernabu and Tontoro
I would like to bring up that Bulbophyllum aeolium is cited only from the Philippines. I was sent a photo of this species and it is at
http://www.orchidspecies.com/bulbaeolium.htm.
It is very similar to the photo of B aeolium that is on Orchidsonline by tontoro. http://www.orchidsonline.com.au/comment/reply/6404/6349
Is Tontoros plant from the Philippines or is it Malaysia or even elsewhere? The flower photo on my site was taken in Malaysia [see the in situ photo] and sent in by a Thai gentleman visiting the Cameron Highlands there. He brings up the point that Comber lists B sociale with a photo that is similar yet different to B aeolium photos that we have, but in the notes he says that his plant should be compared with B uniflorum var pluriflorum Carr from Cameron Highlands Malaysia. The Thai gentleman thinks that the Cameron Highlands citing [from a book Titled "The Orchids of Cameron Highlands] of B aeolium occuring there is incorrect and it should be B sociale? What do you all think? I have the Comber reference but not the Orchids of Cameron Highlands.
Could we find out where Tontoro's photo came from so we can begin to sort this mess out?
Thanks all
jay pfahl
Cameron Highlands
Hi Pfahl,
My Plant from Cameron Highlands,Malaysia
regards,
zul
uniflorum
Yes confusing indeed.
It might be better for me to quote Vermeulen from his book 'Orchids of Borneo' Vol 2, Bulbophyllum.
"B.uniflorum shows extreme variability in several characters, notably in the number of flowers per inflorescence (1 to c 10), the size and colouring of the flowers and the position, length and relative width of the sepals.
However, a brief survey of specimens from Sumatra and Java shows that infraspecific division is probably impossible as intermediate specimens between all extremes occur."
He continues " The illustrated specimen resembles the type of B.sociale which mainly differs from the type of B.uniflorum in having convergent lateral sepals. Most specimens have spreading lateral sepals."
Kew World Checklists show these (inc B.aeolium) species as seperate entities.
I suppose naming a plant with six or more flowers as 'uniflorum' is bound to cause confusion.
At the very least and to avoid continuing confusion B.sociale 1918, should be made a synonym of B.aeolium (1913).
bernabu
B aeolium
Hi Tontoro and Bernabu
So if B sociale becomes a synonym of B aeolium then the citations move as well and it can be said that B aeolium comes from Java, Sumatra, Cameron Hills Malaysia and the Phillipines. Has anyone seen a plant from the Philippines to compare??
Jay Pfahl
jay pfahl
B.aeolium
Perhaps the best person to answer this question is Jim Cootes. He had his book 'The Orchids of the Philippines, published in 2001. This book is a valuable tool in identifying the various species from this area. There is no information on B.uniflorum or B.sociale in his book.
I understand that Jim is soon to publish an updated version with many more species, who knows, he may have further info on the subject we are discussing here.... can't wait.
bernabu