Cattleya Unknown hybrid
Submitted by mitchamon on Thu, 13/11/2008 - 19:27
Cattleya Unknown hybrid
Hi Guys
Can anyone help with the ID of the this cattleya . Its is bifoliate .
Many thanks in advance.
Cheers
MJ
Could be
Mitch,
It could be Cattleya Bhimayothin, I have one in flower now, very close, what do others think???
EDIT: link http://orchidsonline.com.au/node/4829
Warren
Perhaps a photo
Perhaps a photo of yours to compare would be good if possible buckie
Done
Not so sure now, daylight made a bit of difference
Warren
Strange dorsal sepal
Do you also see what I am seeing??
Or the dorsal sepal is missing and we see a part of the flower behind instead. Or it has an unusual shape and an unusual color pattern. In this case the lip color pattern was not only transfered to the petal but also to the dorsal sepal. And this I never did see before in any other orchid of the cattleya group.
The picture doesn't help much to see if it is either one. A front view would be much better.
Catt. unknown
Having had a closer look this morning in daylight I'm having second thoughts on this, will leave it up to you.
Warren
Cattleya Walkerinter
Might be Cattleya Walkerinter???
The link below is similar to the above picture. What do you think Horst and Bill?
http://www.soajp.com/37saitama/Cattleya_Walkerinter_Natsumi.htm
I have attached a new photo i
I have attached a new photo i took not long ago of it.
Petals :
2x lateral sepals that are light pink
2x petals dark purple splash from the tips on the light pink moving towards centre.
1x Dorsal sepals which has the 3 colours in it light pink then purple and white in strip in centre.
Yes i agree its bizzare as all the colours are resembling the lip and white strip on dorsal sepal resembles the column.
Dorsal sepal has grown a tad to one side as both flowers are close together. which gives the impression its could be apart of the other flower which is half open due to the closeness to this flower.
Does this help ?
Catt. unknown
Sorry Mitch but it could be almost anything this plant of yours.
I think we are just clutching at straws trying to name it and it should be left as Cattleya hybrid unknown. Better to be no name then the wrong name.
Bill
If all agree with Bill we
If all agree with Bill we should move it out of this area now....what do you all think?
I agree
I agree Bill and Wellsy probably better off being unknown, unless Warren , Horst or Migocab can narrow it down.
I'll put it in the unknown plant corner.
Eye catching mutation
Hi Mitch,
To name an orchid like this without any doubt is not possible. We know only that Cattleya intermedia aquinii is one of the parents or grandparents.
Theoretically this could be a cross in between a Cattleya intermedia aquinii or any primary hybrid with Cattleya intermedia aquinii and hundreds of species, primary or multiple hybrids.
What cough my eyes was the unusual dorsal sepal. It is much larger and similar to a petal and is has the coloring of the lip. This plant of yours is a rare example of a mutation. As well as the Cattleya intermedia aquinii was a rare case of an eye catching mutation.
Keep on eye on this plant. It would be interesting to know if it repeat the same pattern next year.
If you are in to make some of your own hybrids sometimes, use this plant as a parent in one of your crosses.
Horst
Mutated Catt
Hi Horst,
Thank you so much for the information and the background on Catt mutations.
I will definately keep a eye out on this plant. the second flower Dorsal sepal only has 3 stripes .A mutant it is.
I am looking at making my own hybrids and whilst this one is in flower and another unknown Catt is bout to open up ill try and pollinate them. I haven't got any experience in doing so , but its all about trial and error to achieve results how i look at it.
Just haven't had any luck so far with trying tissue culture due to bacterial / fungal infections. I may have over come this with working over large tray of boiling water described on some websites . I just was given 20 green pods of Dendrobium speciosum to use as trial and error to over come the above.
When the other Catt opens up ill post a pic. Think both crossed would make a big interesting flower, even plant .
Cheers
Mitch
possible cross plant
Hi Horst,
This is the Cattleya i am deciding to attempt to cross the mutant with.
http://orchidsonline.com.au/node/4841
Could become a interesting flower if it works out.
Cheers
Mitch
Mitch
Hi Mitch, just read http://orchidsonline.com.au/node/4841
I'm a little confused now, are you going ahead with the crossing of these two plants or not??
Bill
Just experimenting in pollinating
Hi Bill,
I was going to, until Wellsy pointed out why do so when no one wants a unnamed plant that the parents are classified unknown.
Though I will use both to attempt to pollinate / set seed pod. A experiment / learning lesson.
I have a few of plants of these http://orchidsonline.com.au/node/4841 that are in now so may as well give pollinating a try.
Just have to read up on pollinating more.
Cheers
Mitch
Thanks Mitch
For clearing that question up and I do like your up dated plan.
Bill