Bulbophyllum kubahense
Submitted by tontoro2001 on Tue, 21/10/2008 - 21:59
Score: 8.7, Votes: 11
Bulbophyllum kubahense
Bulbophyllum species unknown
Name edit as per comments below.
Original submission as Bulbophyllum refractilingue?
Vote Result
Score: 8.7, Votes: 11
Some spare
Hi,zul i suppose u have some spare on this one........i cant sleep well on seeing this.....
Pak sheikh
Pak Sheikh
refractilingue
Hi Zulkifli, Your lovely plant intrigues me. The leaves look like refractilingue soft leaves, which are a lovely coppery colour when forming. The creeping climbing habit is also normal with this species.
The flower colour with red-purple spots is somewhat similar to that species, but the flowers themselves are presented differently. B.refractilingue normally has a sub-umbellate inflorescence 11-16cm long with 5-8 flowers which are appox 2cm long and have a mossy scent but don't normally open as wide as the flowers shown. Also the flowers in your image are very close together.
The main difference between B.refractilingue and your plant is the shape of the inflorescence and the compact cluster of open flowers.
Is it possible to give me the size of the flowers also the length of the largest leaf? B.refractilingue is endemic to Borneo, is your plant a hybrid or a new species? I wonder.
See the image of B.refractilingue in Orchid Books.
bernabu
bernabu
refractilingue
Zulkifli, In my previous post I suggested that you look in Orchid Books for an image of B.refractilingue, I should have mentioned the image of this species in the Bulbophyllum Gallery on this site.
bernabu
EDIT: heres the link http://orchidsonline.com.au/node/2438
bernabu
refractilingue
hi Bernabu...
i agreed with u about my refractilingue...maybe new species..hehehe
For your information...i bought from local seller during my trip to Sarawak..Flower about 3cm - 3.5cm with more than 10 flowers..Largest leaf about 20-25cm.
regards,
zul
some spare
Pak Sheikh...
Don't worry...i will spare to u when u visit my house again..hehehe
Thinking cap
Thanks for the info Zul, I shall have to put my thinking cap on. Other members may be able to help with info on this plant. I must confess that whenever I see a plant that has similarities with another species, my first thoughts lean towards a possible hybrid.
bernabu
bernabu
refractilingue
Zul, I have tried to contact you, without success, I have a taxonomist friend wanting a spirit sample of your flowers. He is willing to name it after yourself, if it is indeed a new species, but of course it will be too late if the flowers have gone over.
However if you get another inflorescence could you please put it in spirit. If you don't have access to the correct spirit for pickling, you can put the flowers in gin, which is quite acceptable in the short term. Then we can think about how we will arrange the transfer of the sample.
bernabu
bernabu
refractilingue
Hi Bernabu...
i'm glad to hear that...i will inform u when i get another inflorescense soon...thanks!
regards,
zul
refractilingue
Ok guys, should we list this one as Bulb. species unknown for now???
Bill
I agree
Bill, I think that would be the right thing to do for the present.
bernabu
bernabu
any update?
I noticed this again on the 'Random image' block and I just have to ask is there any update on this one? I'm just burning inside to know what this one is so I can put it on my list!!!!
This has to be one of the best looking Bulbophyllum flowers I have ever seen...it's not unlike the effect of one of those technicolor miltonias or miltoniopsis.
Jealousy is a curse they say...well I'm cursed for sure!
Regards wellsy
B.sp
wellsy, This plant has been confirmed as a new and unnamed species.
bernabu
bernabu
Bulbophyllum
Zul, I've just been informed that the image shown here has just been described and named Bulbophyllum kubahense. I have no further details at this time.
bernabu
Bulbophyllum kubahense
Hi Bernard..
thanks for your information..
zul.
monocot list
Unfortunately it's not listed on the monocot list yet.
Just checked it.
Regards wellsy
Bulbophyllum kubahense
No worries, we shall just have to wait.
bernabu
perhaps
Perhaps it's best to add the new name to the body area now and leave the title as it is.
That way it fits site policy and also will be found should anyone be searching on the net?
What do you all think?
Regards wellsy
Bulbophyllum
I think that it's Zul's call. It may be wise to wait until it has been officially published.
bernabu
Its a beautiful species for
Its a beautiful species for sure. We have seen some here in Bangkok for sale. I just got two flasks from a friend and will bring them back to Australia with me mid-2011
My friend has also managed to cross and produce seedlings with this and Bulbo phalaenopsis.. Gods knows what that will come out like, but they have been out of flask now for 6 months or so and going strong
Brett
Bulbo
Some species are remarkable in their own right. There are some species that do not improve with the crossing of another species, I believe that this will be the case with the two species we have here.
bernabu
confused
I am confused by what you mean in this comment Bernard?
Do you mean that this unknown species is really a hybrid?
Regards wellsy
Confused???
Steve,
Hasn't this one been ID as Bulbophyllum kubahense? just named as such that is. I think that Bernard was trying to say that if you cross Bulb. kubahense with Bulb. phalaenopsis the result might not be as good as expected, that is the way I read it.
Warren
Contact
Hi Brett could you contact me via my contact tab as I can't seem to get your contact details on the site.
Pawpaw
Hi Pawpaw, I will contact
Hi Pawpaw, I will contact you.
Yes, I agree that hybridisation may not always produce something better, but then sometimes it does. I guess what interests me in the cross of this species with B. phalaenopsis is that it was possible. Here is Thailand Bulbo hybrids are becoming very popular.
Anyway, I am just happy I was able to get flasks of the species so I can introduce it to Australia. I am also sending some to a friend in the USA.
Apparently this species does not fair well in Bangkok as its too warm I was told and not enough variation in temperature
Brett
hybrid
Sorry for any confusion caused by my comments, B.kubahense is a good species.
All I am saying is,that whatever ever the outcome of this cross it will have to be outstanding to compare to the beauty and elegance of the two natural species involved.
bernabu
hybrid
Brett, as a matter of interest, do you have a name that was used in this cross? normally the plant with the smaller flowers are crossed onto the large species.
bernabu
I just got half a dozen
I just got half a dozen plants for a friend and they were labeled as Bulbo. sp. aff. refractiligue x Bulbo. phalaenopsis. I will email the maker of the cross and ask him though as to what plant was the pod parent and what was the pollen.
To be honest we are seeing all kinds of weird and wonderful crosses here in Bangkok all the time now. I saw a flask the other day of B. plumatum x B. orientale. The mind boggles. Like you, I question the need for some hybrids.
Brett
I just found this PDF on this
I just found this PDF on this species (as B. kubahense) in an article by Jaap J. Vermeulen and Anthony Lamb
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/recreation/orchidcongress/conserv12.pdf
Brett
Well done Brett
Zul, you can now change the name on this post.
Just imagine, it could have been named after you.
The sad news is that this species is already causing concern, and is disappearing from it's narrowly defined habitat.
bernabu
Bulbophyllum kubahense
Zul,
Your image above was probably the first one of this species shown, a full two years before being described. I should change the name asap.
Bernard
bernabu
I am just glad I managed to
I am just glad I managed to get the flasks I got. four will go to Australia, and three to the USA. So, I hope in this this way, it will help spread and preserve the species in cultivation.
Its a sad thing that the pillaging of the forests is so prevalent in developing countries. But as many people collecting the species are just local farmers etc, who then sell them on to wholesalers, theres not much that can be done. People have to eat and its just a fact of life that a peasant farmer wont give a stuff about a plant on a tree when it means food in the belly. I've seen this in so many countries I have visited, not to mention here in Bangkok. Still, I am getting off topic
Yes, its good to see that we have a name now.
Brett
Good news.. I got the four
Good news.. I got the four flasks of this into Australia. Sent two to two experienced growers and deflasked the other two myself.. Hope to have some maturing plants in a year or two.
Brett
OMG!! It is out of the
OMG!! It is out of the world!!
Jose
Bulbophyllum kubahense
Large divisions of this species were available at the WOC in Singapore and now reside in Australia along with their flasked cousins.
Good to hear about the FS
Good to hear about the FS plants. Are they in quarantine then? Good luck and I hope they dont get knocked by the methyl bromide
Brett
Addition to this. I spoke to two Malaysians I know who both said the prices for this species are now phenomenal and it is being sold top dollar to Japan. The plant is now exceptionally rare in SE Asia. Both were skeptical about what was on offer at WOC. I hope they are wrong all the same.