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Tainia sp.

Submitted by pak sheikh on Wed, 24/09/2008 - 14:44

Tainia sp.

EDIT: as per discussion below

Nephelaphyllum sp

Can u guys help me to provide an id on this sp.......

Tainia sp.
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Nephelaphyllum ???

Submitted by bernabu on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 03:36.

I believe that this used to be named Nephelophyllum grandiflorum, but is now Tainia wrayana. Dist:
Thailand, Pen Malayasia and Sumatra. Inflorescence about 20cm long with up to eight 2cm long flowers.
bernabu

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Hey Bernard. Tainia is an

Submitted by wellsy on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 08:05.

Hey Bernard. Tainia is an accepted genus in Orchidacea?

Tainia Blume, Bijdr.: 354 (1825).

I'm confused? Is your genus spelt differently maybe?

OOOPs....very confused...I thought Bernard was commenting on the Nepenthes photo which was close by in the recent posts. Sorry all!

Regards wellsy

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Tainia

Submitted by danielptong on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 09:08.

Hiya, there has been a revision done and an orchid monograph (vol. 6) has been published which group few genera together (Mischobulbum, Tainia, Ania etc.). For those who are interested, you can check out the orchid monographs (total; 8 volumes) in this site;
http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/pubs/orchidweb/journals_and_books.htm#OM

Regards,
Daniel.

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Mischobulbum

Submitted by danielptong on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 09:12.

By the way, the previous name used for this plant was Mischobulbum. The photo here is possibly M. wrayanum or M. crassum. Both are only separated by small details in the lip.
Regards, Daniel.

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Mischobulbum sp

Submitted by wellsy on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 10:43.

Thanks Daniel.

So will we label it as Mischobulbum sp. for now do you think?

Regards wellsy

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Mischobulbum

Submitted by bernabu on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 16:36.

The accepted name for Mischobulbum wrayana is now Tainia wrayana as per the RHS World Checklist.
M.crassum is now Tainia crassa. I have not seen any details or information on the differences of the lip of T.crassa, so I can't comment on that species.
bernabu

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You are correct

Submitted by wellsy on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 17:29.

You are correct of course Bernard...sorry about the misundersatnding before and also that I did not bother to check the monocot list myself.

Tainia wrayana (Hook.f.) J.J.Sm., Bull. Jard. Bot. Buitenzorg, II, 8: 6 (1912). is most definitely listed as a synonym of Mischobulbum wrayanum (Hook.f.) Rolfe, Orchid Rev. 20: 127 (1912).

So until the lip differences can be sorted perhaps Tainia sp. is the go???

Regards wellsy

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Tainia sp

Submitted by bernabu on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 19:02.

Yes I agree, still, it will be interesting to find more info on the lip differences.
bernabu

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lips found

Submitted by bernabu on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 22:48.

T.wrayana: Lateral keels on lip equally thin along their entire length. Lip 14.5-18mm long.
T.crassa: Lateral keels on lip thickened distally. Lip 18-23mm long.
T. crassa only known from the type specimen collected at Ulu Gombak, Selangor, at 450m and differs
from T.wrayana in the texture and shape of the lip, distally thickened keels and longer psuedobulbs. Otherwise these two species are hardly different.
I suppose if Pak Sheikh obtained his plant locally it could be T.crassa.
bernabu

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when the plant flowers

Submitted by wellsy on Thu, 25/09/2008 - 23:00.

Excellent Bernard....maybe Pak Sheikh can confirm the lip when the plant flowers again.

Regards wellsy

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Tainia sp.

Submitted by pak sheikh on Mon, 29/09/2008 - 04:34.

Hi guys sorry for the late respond to this discussion....I've just came back for my time off actually....Ok, for ur info i did obtain the plant locally where the location was confirmed by Benard.May be Benard was right with the id i suppose, but anyway i would agree with Wellsy on the confirmation of the lips when this plant flower again in a couple of mth time i hope....
Thanks Guys..

Regards,
Pak sheikh

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